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John F'ing Kerry Rally

By Simeon | October 12, 2004 10:05 PM | Comments (89)

Well, that is what we have been calling it at work since its inception. To most of the country, it is properly named the Vote For Change Tour. Yes, yes, the huge 33 city tour in just under two weeks. The cities were located in swing states, and most artists are out spoken liberals. The goal of the tour was to raise awareness for the November 2, 2004 national election. That being said, many artists eluded or pledged outright their allegiance to the Kerry/Edwards ticket. Anyway, the finale of the tour was last night at the MCI Center in Washington D.C.

When this tour was announced, I was avidly against attending. Over the past few weeks, I was given the opportunity to go without paying for a ticket. I spoke with a few friends, and this seemed to be acceptable. I would not be giving any of my hard earned money to the cause. Thanks Sarah for the ticket!

When I arrived at the show, it was an interesting scene outside the arena. First, so many people were in line for a non-general admission show. What gives with that? Second, there were different protestors across the street from the main gate. One of the best signs said, "Saddam-Aid 2004." I would say twisted, but funny. Finally, a bum was playing Marvin Gaye's "What's Going On" outside the metro stop. What decade is this?

I met Sarah on 7th, and we stopped by Fado for some drinks. Soon, we walked back across the street to be inside by the 7pm show time. Our seats where located in section 104. The seats were decent. Section 104 is stage right at the end of the floor. We had a direct view of the stage.

The show started right at 7pm. Wow, a show starting on time? Well, they had so many people set to play. Bruce, Michael Stipe, Dave Matthews, and Emily Robinson welcomed the crowd. Bruce said, "We're here to raise our voices loud and clear. We want to change our government." No one mentioned the candidates at this point.

beginning of show
Eddie Vedder, Emily Robinson (HOT), and Michael Stipe at the beginning of the show
image courtsey of washingtonpost.com

First to take the stage was John Mellencamp. What a great opener! I have never seen Mellencamp, and I was really looking forward to his set. It was a dynamic set that featured a high energy version of "Walk Tall." He brought the tempo down for a few songs with acoustic versions of "Paper in Fire" and "The Authority Song." He closed the set with a fantastic version of "Pink Houses." The crowd wasn't ready for that kind of energy, but John had the place rockin. This was going to be a great show.

John Mellencamp
John Mellencamp sits down for a few tunes
image courtsey of washingtonpost.com

The next act to take the stage was Kenneth "Babyface" Edmonds. The lefty strummed through a beautiful rendition of "Change the World." This was a number one hit for him and Eric Clapton. Honestly, I like hearing Clapton sing the song better then Babyface.

Next up was an impromptu group: Keb' Mo', Jackson Browne, and Bonnie Raitt. Wow! That is a ton of talent lined up on stage. I thought, is this really happening? In between laying down some sweet blues, they played a great version of "For What It's Worth." Yea, that was no mistake.

Keb Mo'
Keb' Mo' rocking
image courtsey of washingtonpost.com

Somewhere in the show, Jurassic 5 took the stage for a set. I wasn't very impressed. I think they were just in the wrong type of show to showcase their talents.

At about the midway point, R.E.M. played. I was happy to hear a live version of the song, "Leaving New York." That is the first single off their new album, "Around The Sun." The crowd sang along whole heartedly to "The One I Love," "Fire," and "Losing My Religion." It was a treat to see Bruce come out and join R.E.M. on "Man on the Moon." The crowd went nuts. Everyone was dancing and singing. Bruce even took the lead and sung some verses!

The great bands kept coming. Pearl Jam was next to the stage. I was dissappointed with their performance. That is two times in a row I have been dissappointed with their live show. I am not the biggest fan, but it wouldn't hurt them to play a hit or two. I was mad to see Tim Robbins join them on stage for a song. He was bouncing around trying to be a rock star. Stick to acting, and stay out of politics and rock, Tim.

When an artist finished performing, they had a chance to introduce the next artist. I thought this was a nice touch. Eddy Vedder took the stage to introduce James Taylor. He is such an amazing artist with that distinctive voice. He performed "Never Die Young" by himself. Then he invited the Dixie Chicks up to sing "Sweet Baby James" and "Shower the People." "Sweet Baby James" was so beautiful. Taylor and Natalie Maines traded lyrics with a soft violin in the background. The Dixie Chicks then performed Bob Dylan's "Mississippi" and left the stage. Two interesting quotes came out of this segment. First, Taylor did not pledge his support to the Kerry ticket, but he did say something interesting. "I hate it when they say, 'You shouldn't changes horses midstream.' I hate it 'cause if your horse can't swim . . ." Hmm, sly Bush reference maybe? Second, Maines said something as well. In March, She spoke badly about the Presidents home state. She used this opportunity to poke fun at herself while making a political statement. "Gosh, I hope y'all show up to our next tour, after the incident, people asked me if I wanted to take back what I said. Well, no, 'cause after that Bush would just call me a flip-flopper."

So, the concert was really starting to lean toward the Kerry campaign. Well, you had to be a moron to come thinking the performers supported Bush, but I thought they couldn't mention one canadiate or the other in order for all their proceeds used to help "fight the cause" under campaign finance reform? Hmm, guess I was wrong.

Maines then introduced the Dave Matthews Band. Of course, I danced the entire set which was decent. They opened with "Don't Drink the Water." Dave introduced "Joy Ride" as a new song. I guess that will be the single on the album this winter? Where is "Good, Good Times?" That song was wicked. Next, they blew through an upbeat "What Would You Say > Anyone Seen The Bridge > Too Much." I love that run. It is so funky. Ants took down the house for the closer.

By this time, it was well past 11pm. The show had been carrying on for over four hours. Everyone in the crowd knew what was next. Dave Matthews walked onto the stage amid the chants for Brrrruuuuuucccceee. Then Dave brought out The Boss and The E Street Band. Up until this point, I thought the crowd could make some noise. Well, it just kept getting louder. Bruce quieted the crowd with a sweet 12-string opening tuning version of the National Anthem. Max Weinberg brought the crowd back into it when he start "Born in the USA." Bruce was running around stage, and his band was loving it. The entire MCI Center was going crazy. I'll tell you what, I need to go to more Bruce shows. The party continued with "Badlands" and "No Surrender." Then it just got better. Bruce introduced CCR's John Fogerty to the stage. He and Bruce traded lyrics on "Fortunate Son." Then Fogerty performed the single "Deja Vu All Over Again" from his new album of the same title. Its a great tune. After Fogerty left the stage, Bruce brough up Michael Stipe to sing 10,000 Manics' "Because the Night." That was pretty cool, but Bruce and Stipe can't sing have as well as Natalie Merchant. Bruce closed his set with an energetic "Born to Run." The house lights were turned on for the entire song. It was a neat effect I have not seen before.

Michael Stipe and Bruce Springsteen
Michael Stipe and Bruce Springsteen together on stage
image courtsey of washingtonpost.com

The show began to wind down with Bruce preaching to the crowd like a cheap lying southern tv pastor asking for money for his cocaine and hooker habit. It really turned me off. I sat down during this crazyness. Bruce asked the viewers at home to take off their clothes, touch their tv, and yell Halliburton. While this was going on, everyone was cheering. They guy next to me keep screaming "F--- Bush." It was pretty ignorant. Bruce continued to preach about the incompetance of Bush, and that Kerry and Edwards were the best thing since sliced bread. Bruce really was the only artist to come out and say the names of each candidate. Eventually, he calmed down.

The show ended with a group hug on stage with most of the artists present. They performed Nick Lowe's "(What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love and Understanding?" Awe, wasn't that cute. The show ended at 12:25 to clock in at about five and half hours. Even though some of it was politically charge, I really enjoyed the music. I don't agree with what most of the artists believe, but this is America. It is a wonderful thing, Free Speech.

Comments

Jeff | October 13, 2004 2:07 PM

Nice review Simeon...And thanks for supporting the cause...Just one note..."Because the Night" was actually written by Bruce and Patti Smith in the 70's long before 10'000 maniacs recorded it...they did record the most famous version though...I'm gonna duck under the ropes before all the political uproar begins...Herczeg! tag, your in

rob | October 13, 2004 2:44 PM

i'll tag in! and exclaim! simeon, you fraud. the $35 ticket isn't the point. you were there in spirit "supporting the cause" as you put it. that is way more meaningfull and important than the money. and you enjoyed yourself. this means, YOU ARE THE CAUSE! simeon has now joined the lefties. herczeg now tags in....

john kerry | October 13, 2004 2:51 PM

Dear Mr. Willbanks, Thank you for joining the ranks. Your support is greatly appreciated just like your vote will be on November 2nd. As a leading supporter of gay marrige, you will be happy to know I do not support any Constitutional Amendment bannig your hopeful practice. Your choice is your choice. As you understand quite well at this point, I am an extremely busy man and must prepare for the third and final debate this evening to convince people, as I have convinced you, to vote for me. Once again THANK YOU for you support. Senator John Kerry

herczeg | October 13, 2004 3:11 PM

Well Jeff and Rod, (my fellow freethinkers) I must admit that when I began reading this article I naturally felt all of those familiar frustrations brewing within myself regarding the upcoming election. I also expected this to lead to an all out war of polictical posts. However, I must commend Simeon for attending such a function in spite of his political beliefs. Jeff, Rob and Sean, this would be the equivalent of us attending a Bush/Cheney Rally (not to be confused with a NASCAR race or and NRA meeting). Seriously though, big ups Simeon for realizing that seeing a great concert is well worth enduring a few hours of Kerry supporters.

herczeg | October 13, 2004 3:16 PM

Also, Simeon, welcome to liberalism! I just wanted to say its great having you aboard. (please leave all your semi-automatic weapons and freedom fries at the door). -herczeg tags out....

Ralph Nader | October 13, 2004 3:20 PM

Dear Mr. Willbanks, I just wanted to make you aware that you have a choice in this election, and that choice is not limited to George Bush and John Kerry. You are cordially invited to Naderpalooza 2004 to be held this saturday at the 9:30 club in D.C. Willie Nelson will kick off the festivities by sparking up the biggest spliff you've ever seen...There will also be a Cinema Tent at NaderPalooza which will show some of my favorite films, such as "General Motors Crash Test Videos" & "How to Lose a Personality in 10 days". But Please do hurry if you plan on attending. While Nader's Raider's are too stoned to log onto Ticketmaster, there seems to be a peculiar interest in this years event from cigar smoking old white businessmen who frequent country clubs and have a net income of greater than $200,000/ year...Willie Nelson fans I guess... I hope to see you there... America's Next Second Runner-up for President, Ralph Nader

pete | October 13, 2004 5:50 PM

holy shit! *breathes sigh of relief*

retail | October 14, 2004 7:58 AM

oh wait.... simeon you should have an edit post option :yes:

Michael Stipe's Past | October 14, 2004 10:30 AM

Good God, what's happened to you man??...Remember when we were homosexual, but still a rock star...Now, look at you...I hardly know you....you've turned into the Liberace of Rock...with your white suit clapping your hands and being all flamboyant....You probably wear 7 jeans too....What's the frequency Michael??

Thomas Jefferson | October 14, 2004 10:51 AM

Hello Simeon, As a young forthright American, much like i was more than two hundred years ago I greatly appreciate your dedication to open expression of thought and freedom of speech. It makes me extraordinarily happy that you have taken on a greater understanding of what this country means and how to make a change. The Bush Administrations over handed abuse of executive power is something that has to change. Simeon, a great many thanks is in order for you in helping move the country in a positive direction. Yours in Life and Death, Thomas Jefferson Third President of the United States of America

Mr. Right | October 14, 2004 1:07 PM

Gay? Anti-Gun? Looking for a president to cut and run like a pussy? Vote liberal.

Mr. Herczeg | October 14, 2004 2:04 PM

What does that even mean? Sounds like empty retoric me. Jeff or Rob, care to exclaim?

Mr. Right Now | October 14, 2004 2:07 PM

what i meant to exclaim was empty rhetoric. Simeon, don't you think you could invest in a spell check function for you site?

rob | October 14, 2004 2:25 PM

look, mr. right, its hard work! At least thats what Jesus told me in our personal conversation earlier today. Yeah, I have the direct line too. And as for typos, it was a mistake. I'm sure he realized the mistake and will be held accountable for it. Hey, nobody got killed over it, at least as far as i can see. I'm sure he will really think through his "exclaiming" next time and heed the advice of others rather. Simeon, hold off on the spellchecker.

Mr. He Forgot Poland! | October 14, 2004 2:26 PM

Homophobic? Still fly the Confederate flag? Watch too many action movies? Vote Bush.

rob | October 14, 2004 2:28 PM

I guess what i mean is it all comes down to name calling.... pussy.

www.dictionary.com | October 14, 2004 2:36 PM

liberal - Not limited to or by established, traditional, orthodox, or authoritarian attitudes, views, or dogmas; FREE FROM BIGOTRY. Favoring proposals for REFORM, OPEN TO NEW IDEAS for PROGRESS, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad-minded. Of, relating to, or characteristic of liberalism. Liberal Of, designating, or characteristic of a political party founded on or associated with principles of social and political liberalism, especially in Great Britain, Canada, and the UNITED STATES. I would hate to be called this. Wouldn't you?

Mr. Right | October 14, 2004 2:43 PM

In simpler terms. - People who are anti-gun because they are scared of guns, pansy gays, and everyone else who votes against the war and Bush do so because they are the ones who are afraid they might have to get involved. I've noticed the ones who are always rallying against guns and against war are the exact people I would never trust a gun or a uniform with. I just think that the liberal mindset ultimately boils down to selfishness. " I want more govt' programs for me and my "partner", I don't want to think about people that hate me or having to stand up to them, I want gov't aid so I don't have to work hard and accomplish something, I don't want to think about war because bad things happen in war and I don't like bad things." And- I think Kerry will pull us out of Iraq because he has already screwed any hope of new alliances if he gets elected(france and germany-already said hell no), and our current alliances don't like him because he has refered to them as "...coerced and bribed.". If we get pulled out all the radical sect leaders will just start killing everyone again- then Iraq is worse off. That is my opinion and I realize you have a right to yours. I don't think it's empty OR rhetoric.

rob | October 14, 2004 3:04 PM

I don't need to hide. I love Republicans. I saw that with no sarcasm. Infact this countries greatest President, I think at least, were Republicans (Roosevelt, Lincoln just to name two). They, for example, were forward thinking, one might say...liberal for their time. As history tells us, they might have avoided the term applying to them in their lives, but hind sight is 20/20. If you would like to talk about being selfish maybe childish, not listening to others advice and REFUSING to admit you have ever made a mistake other than trading Sammy Sosa or just changing the subject when the question of error is possed. That is selfishness.

RETAIL | October 14, 2004 3:08 PM

hating gheys is SOOO in this year! *runs squealing like a little girl to the food court in the mall to hate on teh gheys*

herczeg | October 14, 2004 3:10 PM

Sounds like Mr. Right would vote for Rambo if he ran for president. Well, actually so would I, because when he isn't Rambo he is Rocky, and there has never been a clearer leader for our country....unless of course it is one of those times he is that guy from Over the Top...uh oh, I think I have gone off topic again

Mr. He forgot Poland | October 14, 2004 3:26 PM

Mr. Right...Hey, everyone is entitled to an opinion...I'm glad we both recognize that...But I think you are confusing liberals with pacifists...many of us just feel that invading another country should be the final option...and should never be acted upon as the result of shoddy "intelligence" or without serious and extensive planning around what happens once we get there...Kerry never said he wouldn't use force...we're not voting sean penn into office here As for liberals being selfish gimme gimme gimmes....I don't see it that way at all...sure it exists, but no more than there being extremely wealthy consevatives who will vote republican based purely on the tax cuts they will receive...some of them have worked extremely hard to get what they have and some haven't....the same with democrats...I think that most liberals are seeking to "level the playing field" if you will...And despite what you may believe, the playing field is not level...it is clearly tilted in one direction...to the right

Jesus | October 14, 2004 3:28 PM

it all comes down to insults and assumptions. wait, assumption? where has that gotten us?

rob | October 14, 2004 3:32 PM

Leveling in playing field and empowering the middle class through government assistance is what the Republican party was founded upon in the 1850's. That is another topic for another day.

simeon | October 14, 2004 3:37 PM

re : " think you could invest in a spell check function for you site?" the button preview is there for this reason... spell check can also be enabled on safari for mac os x, it might be available as an extension for firefox - mozilla.org to download firefox and get rid of internet explorer.

simeon | October 14, 2004 3:45 PM

i find it funny that liberals like to mention how tilted to the right the majority is and how the playing field isnt level. what about when things in washington were slanted left? you did not hear them complaining about a level playing field at that point.

rob | October 14, 2004 3:52 PM

Why would they complain if things a "slanted" to the left? It gives them the opportunity to enact their polcies and move the country in that direction. it gives the right the chance to complain. its all a big cycle.

Mr. Right | October 14, 2004 4:12 PM

I don't see how the playing field is tilted to the right- oh wait, our country is safer and more alert than ever and my taxes are lower. I haven't relinquished one single civil liberty and chairman of the Federal Reserve, Alan Greenspan, fervishly supports Bush's tax breaks because they stimulate economic growth. But no, let get Kerry in here to tax us more and start up a federal health care plan so we can end up with health services like Cuba and Canada who come HERE to get better care. And if he follows his senate voting record maybe he can save you a little money by gutting military and intelligence funding. Yea- sounds like a plan to me.....

Mr. Right | October 14, 2004 4:19 PM

p.s - Go Bush.

Jeff | October 14, 2004 4:23 PM

I am in no way associated with Mr. He forgot Poland, but Simeon, I think you misunderstood the point he was trying to make...I don't think he meant leveling the playing field in washington, but rather leveling the playing field in society...like rob implied with empowering the middle class... I'm also glad to see that Robert's graduate education at LSU is paying off...It always kind of irks me when republicans refer to lincoln when promoting their party...Today's republican party is based upon a completely different set of principles...That's like today's Steve Perry-less Journey touring the states promoting themselves as 1983's Wheel in the sky keeps on turning Journey... anyway....enough politics...tomorrow is Friday and come 5:30 we will all agree on one thing....getting Sh*tcanned...Cheers

WWW.dictionary.com | October 14, 2004 4:31 PM

Bigot- Any conservative winning an argument with a liberal. Liberal- Favoring proposals for REFORM, OPEN TO NEW IDEAS for PROGRESS, and tolerant of the ideas and behavior of others; broad minded. --- Unless you disagree with them.....then the open mind shuts and you are just an ignorant, racist nazi.

Jeff | October 14, 2004 4:33 PM

p.s. simeon congrats on the most popular Post ever on simeons.net Mr. Right I am tempted to point out that while Mr. Greenspan is certainly more knowledgeable on the subject of economics than I, many other experts point out that reaganomics (trickle down effect) didn't work for Reagan...and it doesn't appear to be working thus far for Bush...but i have promised to stop talking about politics....oops...oh well, cheers again

Mr. Right | October 14, 2004 5:00 PM

Not to be mean spirited in any way, because I enjoy reading everyones posts, but I Really Haven't understood ANYTHING Rob has posted so far- who is he talking to?

Dictionary.com | October 14, 2004 5:26 PM

This is the real dictionary.com, not the imposter who has posted two times under my name. Shame on you for tarnishing my fine reputation and manipulating my time honored definitions. what will you find next in those words, weapons of mass destruction? Looks like someone is being a cry baby, something that he would have most likely refered to a liberal as. NOTE- You have just been caught in your own web.

rob | October 14, 2004 5:38 PM

Well i think what i wrote this afternoon is pretty straight forward. and no, it has nothing to do with sexuality, something mr."right" likes to boil things down to. but i will recap. post 1 - Take Responsiblity for your actions, be accountable for your mistakes. post 2 - Name calling is not a good way to win an arguement (if that is what this is) or convince people of your point of view. post 3 - history has shown two great presidents, republican at that were liberal and forward thinking, they are refered to as PROGRESSIVE because republicans think being called liberal is a bad thing. post 4 - a brief fonding principle of the republican party. post 5 - an aswer to simeon's question. post 6 - recapping and simplifying post 1 - 5

Mr. Right | October 14, 2004 6:23 PM

You still dont make any sense rob.

Mr. Right | October 14, 2004 6:26 PM

Sorry mr. Dicktionary. I wont tarnish your fine rep anymore. And thanks for adding crybaby liberal to the table I forgot that one.

Mr. Right | October 14, 2004 6:31 PM

I rest my case- If I dont agree with you guys, I'm the crybaby. Thats fine -Kerry is going to lose -He said he's already got his lawyers standing by in case he doesn't win. Your hero is the ultimate crybaby, just like Gore. Unfit for Command m-f's!!!!

reality | October 14, 2004 6:47 PM

I haven't seen Mr. Right in 10 years.

RETAIL | October 14, 2004 6:51 PM

*fires gunshow purchased AK-47 into air for bush* :'(

scott brown | October 14, 2004 9:01 PM

hey sim, this was last night's bruce (10/13) The Star-Spangled Banner Born in the U.S.A. > Badlands > Lonesome Day No Surrender (with Eddie Vedder) Darkness on the Edge of Town (with Eddie Vedder) Betterman (with Eddie Vedder) Johnny 99 Centerfield (with John Fogerty) Deja Vu All Over Again (with John Fogerty) Fortunate Son (with John Fogerty) The Promised Land (with John Fogerty) The Rising Racing in the Street (with Jackson Browne) Mary's Place Born to Run Encore: Proud Mary (with John Fogerty) Bad Moon Rising (with John Fogerty) Travelin' Band (with John Fogerty) (What's So Funny 'Bout) Peace, Love, and Understanding (with Eddie Vedder, Jackson Browne, John Fogerty) People Have the Power (with with Eddie Vedder, Jackson Browne, John Fogerty)

scott brown | October 14, 2004 9:02 PM

and yes, simeon, bush still sucks.

simeon | October 14, 2004 11:35 PM

Scott - nice to see ya post! thanks for the set list. i appreciate it. that show looks really sweet. i guess you ended up going? again, free speech rules, and kerry is a moron.

Mr. Right | October 15, 2004 2:46 AM

What up, reality?!?! Don't forget to vote November 3rd !!!

Mr. Right | October 15, 2004 3:00 AM

:) simple pleasures

Mr. Right | October 15, 2004 3:01 AM

click on mr right

Rob | October 15, 2004 9:01 AM

Hey Mr Right, I hope you to remember to vote November 3rd. that way it will be too late for your vote to count being as election day is generally held on the first tuesday of november, which falls on November 2nd. but in your case, please stick to the 3rd.

Nitpicker | October 15, 2004 9:38 AM

Election day is actually the first Tuesday after the first Monday of November...meaning that if Nov. 1 was a Tuesday, the election would be held on Tue. Nov 8th...I could explain the rationale behind this, but then I'd really look like a dork...what i'm trying to say is.... Bush is a monkey Simeon!! bring my sunning jeans to philadelphia please

rob | October 15, 2004 9:46 AM

thank you nitpicker, i stand corrected, in the sense i was not totally right. i just acknowledged a mistake. does that make sense? welcome to the no spin zone.

herczeg | October 15, 2004 9:47 AM

just a though Mr Right....sorry to start this up again today, but under your rational (from what I can gather you want a president, not so much to lead through intelligence, but through the size of the semi automatic weapon in his pants), wouldn't you rather have a decorated vietnam veteran leading, rather than a pansy who couldn't even fullfill his national guard duty? Happy Friday everyone

retail | October 15, 2004 10:13 AM

and a happy friday to you too herczeg! lol

Simeon | October 15, 2004 10:14 AM

decorated war hero? i find that an interesting statement. most of kerry's fellow swifties do not even support him for president. many veterans of foriegn war's do not support kerry because they believe his service record to be a joke. take for example a reader of my paper. (we get comments all the time from both sides, its actually quite fun.) "I served as an artillery forward observer in the Korean War and survived the Kumsong River salient where my unit was overrun by 6 divisions of Chinese troops. I cannot belive that John Kerry eraned a silver star, bronze star and three purple hearts in 4 months in Vietnam. He was a busy boy, It just seems he purposely got injured to get the third purple heart to go home. I knew guys like that in Korea. I think Kerry is a phony." - Washington Times Reader

rob | October 15, 2004 10:23 AM

simeon, i agree that his awards are a bit fishy. My dad can't stand him for that reason. but he was there in vietnam. kerry is no solution, but a change should be inorder. typing so much is really taking away from my time to, you know, smoke pot, walk around bare foot and putting pretty flowers in gun barrels.

Jeff | October 15, 2004 10:34 AM

I don't see the relevance of that letter Sim... I'm sorry but a Korean war vet making assumptions about what Kerry did in Vietnam does not do it for me...So this guy knew guys who did that in Korea...did he serve with John Kerry?? I don't see the connection...Also, many of the swift boat for truth vets say they "served" with Kerry, but in fact, they never met him...they were on different boats...some of them did know him personally...but there are also people who were with Kerry on his boat and say he was courageous and that his wounds were legit...EVERYONE has an agenda...both sides Fact: Kerry served in Vietnam and W was discharged from the Texas national guard for not taking a physical I give mad political props to the Bush campaign for successfully turning Kerry's war record against them, when their own candidate does not even have one......seriously amazes me..

rob | October 15, 2004 10:42 AM

on the topic of the korean war. when the vet said he was attacked by the chinese. It riminds me when the old jeffery lebowski says how he lost his legs to a china-man in korea.

Jeff | October 15, 2004 10:47 AM

I don't think that's the correct nomenclature rob.... Shomer Shabbos!! Shomer Shabbos!!

herczeg | October 15, 2004 11:02 AM

thanks jeff and rob for responding so quickly as to the value of Simeon's post. Point is, it doesn't matter if Kerry went to Vietnam and milked cows all day, (and I am going to assume that atleast one his awards was valid....I know, im weird like that), it still makes him 48,979,832.32 times more qualified a commander and chief than cokehead.

herczeg | October 15, 2004 11:18 AM

oh, and thanks Pete, hope you weekend is an uplifting one. Maybe next weekend we can go moose hunting and gay bashing with ted nugent...i mean bush

Mr. Right | October 15, 2004 11:22 AM

The vote November 3rd thing was a joke- but as usual you liberals are all too tense to get it. At least Bush authorized the release of his service records, stellar or not. Kerry still hasn't officially released his....hmmm,,,

herczeg | October 15, 2004 11:37 AM

ok ur obviously still not getting our point. No offense, but has anyone ever realized that arguing with a Bush supporter is like arguing with a fundamentalist about religion? All reason and logic seems to fly out the window and is inevitably replaced by a litany of dogma. Sorry, didn't mean to open another can of worms. Anyone want to get a head start on happy hour? That is of course unless the current administration hasn't already put in everyone's minds that happy hour is now somehow unpatriotic. Seriously though, blind patriotism rules, but now I have to go cuz Mussolini is on the phone.

rob | October 15, 2004 11:39 AM

woah, cool joke. and yes i am a very tense person, along with the rest of us hippie tree hugging, gay loving, money wasting, free thinkers don't laugh. it takes away from our time giving the country away. i have to get up noe my rush limbaugh EIB chair is killing my back.

Tom Ridge Dept of Homeland Security | October 15, 2004 11:46 AM

of course I'm tense, I live less than 1 hour from nyc which has been at "code level orange" for the last 2 years...I believe it is my patriotic duty to be alert and tense...but I can't wait to go "code level jagermeister" tomorrow

keeping you scared | October 15, 2004 11:50 AM

Mr. Ridge is correct. our current status is "Cuervo", meaning things could get out of hand. Don't forget to stay frightend of brown people and vote Bush.

Mr. Right | October 15, 2004 11:55 AM

I guess I get your point - You think Bush is a moose hunting cokehead. Looks like you've got firm grip on reality there buddy. And rob, you strike me as an unfunny, miserable, sarcastic, self-hating whiner ( who can't type worth s#!t) . Go ahead and vote for john frankenstein kerry- You don't make a difference because he's not going to win. Happy weekend for all you normal people, peace-out for all you hippies, try not to kill too many brain cells this weekend, it sounds like you're gonna need 'em. Later, you liberal weiners.....

Mr. Right | October 15, 2004 11:56 AM

P.S. - Go Bush!!!!!!

herczeg | October 15, 2004 12:08 PM

well one certainly can't argue with reasoning like that! Who knew that second grade special ed classes let out so early on Fridays. Haha Rob, he bitched you out. Oh sh*t, just lost another brain cell, guess Im voting for Bush. Go Eagles!....I mean Bush! (sorry, lately its hard to tell the difference between Bush chants and Football chants)

rob (I need no alias) | October 15, 2004 1:17 PM

Oh man, the nasty personal attacks have begun. Typical. I have tried to take the high road with sarcasm, you know, because I'm tense. To tell you the truth I don't know if i'm funny or not, I leave that up to others to determine that. I'm not an ego maniac who feels the need to pat my back. Miserable, not at all, i'll really a pleasant optimistic person. Self-hating, uhh, see previous sentence, does that make sense? or should i some this up for you again? If you think i'm whining it because i am now forced to defend myself. I'm not complaining that i have been brought to this, but it takes a real man (some who who hides under a debatable alias) to call people names through the anonymous internet. Good one. And if my typing isn't great, you got me. I am now less of a person who can never be seen on the same level as you now "Mr. Right". If you'd like to make it personal "Mr. Right" based on assuming things about each other? That's cool I'm not a pacifist. However, I don't know who i could compete with "My dad can beat up your dad." Which strikes me as something you who say. how was my typing this time? p.s. - Go chant for something!

herczeg | October 15, 2004 1:35 PM

Now Rob, getting all upset is not necessary. After all, your just wasting time that we could be using to kill brain cells. Just think, if we hadn't killed all of those brain cells, we would still be able to come up with well thought out, succinct political commentary such as: "Later you liberal weinies", "pansy gays", and the ever-popular "Go Bush". Naturally, dialogue such as this requires hours of research and, right Mr. Right? ps. Retail, it actually seems that hating everybody thats not republican is so in this year

herczeg | October 15, 2004 1:36 PM

ps. "Go Bush" (so that should make my c*ck bigger right?)

rob | October 15, 2004 1:42 PM

huh? I most have spaced out or something. later weinies!

4 more years | October 15, 2004 1:43 PM

Oh Sh*t... not only am i presiding over the most divided America in 50 years...It seems I've also divided Simeons.net...the greatest website EVER...why has everyone gone nucular in this place?? Simeon, please accept my apologies....I'm a Uniter ....a UNITER I tell you...If anyone needs me I'll be at the ranch

Common Sense | October 15, 2004 1:50 PM

Why is it that only "normal" people, as Mr. "Right" puts it, can have a happy weekend? Isn't that something guaranteed by the Constitution and the Declaration of Independence? Or has the Patriot Act taken that any? What constitutes as "normal" any way? Please elaborate, Mr. "Right".

Common Sense | October 15, 2004 2:04 PM

*Or has the Patriot Act taken that away* We know how Mr. "Right" likes things.

No Sense of Humor | October 15, 2004 2:42 PM

click my link, if that isn't too indecent for you!

Mr. Right | October 15, 2004 7:04 PM

I find it funny that I mentioned gays twice, yet Herczeg and Rob feel the need to mention cock repeatedly. Yes, capital job on the typing Rob, you must be exhausted now. But then there is the issue of your grammar. Three out of four of the last sentences in your paragraph have left me wondering what you are trying to express. For example: " Which strikes me as something you who say. " or " However, I don't know who I could compete with "my dad beat up your dad. " HUHH?? Nice try Einstein. I guess morons attract morons. Vote for Kerry.

Mr. Right | October 15, 2004 7:06 PM

How's this? Have a good weekend F^ckers!!!!!

High | October 16, 2004 11:11 AM

This was hilarious. Mr. Right you are very insightful, I think im going to vote for Bush because of you. Herczeg i never knew "inevitably replaced by a litany of dogma" was in your vocabulary.

swift boat veterans for lies | October 16, 2004 5:57 PM

>>most of kerry's fellow swifties do not even support him for president<< those "swifties" weren't even there.

Swiftie | October 18, 2004 12:51 PM

I'm a swift boat vet. And I was there. There is so much talk about those three boats going up the river. But what people don't understand is that there was a 4th boat coming down the river. I was the capitain of said boat. And it was known as the "floating saturnalia." Sure, we took enemy fire sometimes. But the Viet Cong couldn't shoot so well; the only thing that would hit us is a little schrapnel (Just ask Kerry!). But let me tell you, when you were aboard the "floating saturnalia," you were so drunk that when you did get some schrapnel, the medic didn't even need anesthesia! Anyhoot... I saw the whole Kerry thing from the bow of the "floating saturnalia" -- and the "swift boat veterans for truth" were right. I'm voting Bush!

Texas Air National Guard | October 18, 2004 2:25 PM

We only met Mr. Bush one time for a photo-op. We are still waiting for him to really report. We have also heard that his running mate, Mr. Chaney had "better things to do" than serve his country in Vietnam. Good-Day!

Alabama National Guard... | October 18, 2004 3:18 PM

We remember a young George Bush arriving. We called him the "gentleman Pilot." Whenever we needed more than just a pilot, we called upon the "gentleman pilot." We all tried to go to 'Nam -- even the "gentleman pilot" -- but our services were not needed. We then demanded to go and be assigned to the "floating saturnalia" -- but nope. Not going to happen. It was around then that an older man named Cheney showed up. He wasn't affiliated with any branch, but he wanted *in*. That Cheney was even offered a place on the "floating saturnalia" -- but he remarked, "I ain't going unless I can do some killing." So he rejected not only a tour on the "floating saturnalia," but also on a more war-ready swiftboat. The man wanted combat. He was reserved to stay stateside, and spent the rest of the war "planning" -- which was a codeword for working for the CIA. He can't talk about that anymore ... but I believe that's what he meant when he said he had "better things to do." Those "better things" were keeping this country safe -- not wasting his time floating around on a swiftboat.

? | October 18, 2004 3:40 PM

Was the CIA preparing for Vietnam to launch an all out attack on the West coast?

wants to see this post reach 100 | October 18, 2004 4:59 PM

+1

quagmire | October 19, 2004 8:57 AM

Mr. "Right" you have no idea what you're doing for simeon's ego. keep posting your crazy right wing nonsense.

Mr. Right | October 19, 2004 7:27 PM

Posting my crazy right wing nonsense.

Mr. Right | October 19, 2004 7:31 PM

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/polls.html

herczeg | October 20, 2004 8:41 AM

I am not sure what your point is here Mr Right. So you posted some polls, is this supposed to make me vote for Bush now? We know that Bush is ahead in the polls, but so was Gore at this time 4 years ago. Are you just out of things to say?

Rob | October 20, 2004 9:10 AM

A note on the weekend... Mr. Right have fun populating this website last weekend? And now Polls... 9 out of 10 Dentists say using Crest prevents gingivitis!

james taylor | November 1, 2004 7:11 PM

This is my first time here and was wondering how often posts are made?

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